In his 1641 treatise, Meditations on First Philosophy, philosopher René Descartes introduced the concept of an "evil genius," a powerful force of nature who is equally clever and deceitful. Since then, the world has given us plenty of examples—Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs, fictional Wall Street villain Gordon Gekko, and real-life Wall Street villain Bernie Madoff, to name a few. Not only were these classic bad guys unquestionably unethical, but all were inarguably creative in carrying out their bad behavior as well. Indeed, it's rare to hear anyone described as both evil and unoriginal.
This raises a question: Is there a link between creativity and unethical behavior?
“Dan and I started wondering whether there is something about the creative process that triggers dishonest behavior.”
There certainly is, according to an article in a forthcoming issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. In "The Dark Side of Creativity: Original Thinkers Can Be More Dishonest," the authors report that inherently creative people tend to cheat more than noncreative types. Furthermore, they show that inducing creative behavior tends to induce unethical behavior.
It's a sobering thought in a corporate culture that champions out-of-the-box thinking.
"In any organization, especially in contexts that are global and very competitive, there is so much focus on trying to be innovative and creative," says Francesca Gino, an associate professor at Harvard Business School, who wrote the article with Dan Ariely of Duke University. "But is creativity always good? We often hear of cases in which people use innovative behavior to create a sense that what they're doing is not morally wrong. So, Dan and I started wondering whether there is something about the creative process that triggers dishonest behavior. Specifically, we decided to explore the idea that enhancing the motivation to think outside the box can drive individuals toward more dishonest decisions when facing ethical dilemmas."
Creativity And Ambiguity
To begin their research, Gino and Ariely surveyed 99 employees across 17 departments at an American advertising agency, where some jobs—copywriting, for example—required much more creativity than others. In the anonymous survey, on a seven-point scale, the respondents indicated how likely they were to engage in various ethically questionable work behaviors such as "take home office supplies from work" and "inflate your business expense report." Respondents also evaluated scenarios describing a hypothetical person who has the opportunity to behave dishonestly, and then indicated, again on a seven-point scale, how likely they would be to behave unethically in each instance. Finally, the respondents reported how much creativity was required in their respective jobs, with three managers in the executive office rating the creativity level required in each department, as well.
Overall, the researchers learned, the higher the creativity required for the job, the higher the level of self-reported dishonesty.
Then, through a series of experimental studies, the researchers tested--and largely proved--the theory that creative people are more likely to exhibit unethical behavior when faced with ethical dilemmas.
The first study tested the hypothesis that a naturally creative person is predisposed to dishonest behavior. (The week before the experiment, the participants, 71 university students, completed an online survey that included dispositional measures of creativity.) The experiment included a computerized task in which participants viewed 20 dots inside a diagonally bisected square. They were told to indicate whether there were more dots on the right side of the square or on the left, and that their answers would affect how well they would be compensated for taking part in the experiment: each "more-on-the-right" decision would earn them 10 times as much as a "left" decision.
In half the trials, it was obvious that one side of the square had more dots than the other—2 dots versus 18, for example. But in the other half, the task was a little more ambiguous, with several dots appearing near or on the line in the middle of the square. The researchers focused on the results of the "ambiguous" tasks, with the idea that these were the ones that allowed more room for interpretation—participants could easily misrepresent what they actually perceived and report "more on the right" in order to incur a higher payoff.
The results showed that participants who had scored high on the creativity scale were the most likely to fudge their answers for monetary gain.
"Ambiguity, having some room to justify our behavior, seems to be a really important component of explaining when and why we cross ethical boundaries, and these results show us that creativity helps with that process," Gino says. "It suggests that moral flexibility is the mechanism explaining why being in a creative mindset or being a creative person puts you more at risk to do the wrong thing."
The Perils Of Inducing Creativity
In another study, which included 111 university students, the researchers tested whether they could actively induce creativity, and whether doing so would temporarily induce dishonest behavior. Participants were randomly assigned to one of two groups: the "creative mindset" group and the control group. All were asked to construct sentences from sets of randomly positioned words. But in the creative mindset group, more than half of the sentences included words related to creativity: "novel," "imagination," "invention," "originality," and so on.
“We're not saying that creativity's bad, but we are saying that it can lead to problems.”
To test whether the creativity prime worked, the researchers asked participants to solve a cognitive puzzle created by the Gestalt psychologist Karl Duncker. Known as Duncker's candle problem, it presents participants with the task of affixing a candle to a wall in such a way that when lit, the candle won't drip wax on the floor. To complete the task, participants can use a box of tacks, a book of matches, and the candle. The ideal solution, which requires ingenuity, involves emptying the box, tacking the box to the wall as a candleholder, placing the candle inside, and lighting the candle with the match. The researchers found that 47.3 percent of participants in the creative mindset group solved the candle problem ideally, versus 26.8 percent in the control group.
Next, participants completed a series of computerized tasks, including the ambiguous dots-in-the-square task from the first study. The results showed that those in the creative mindset group were much more likely to give dishonest answers for monetary gain than those in the control group.
"These were simple studies, but they were powerful in showing that our ability to justify things is significantly greater if we are in a creative mindset or when we are creative people," Gino says.
That said, Gino is quick to add that she and Ariely are not suggesting that companies put the kibosh on innovation in order to keep dishonesty at bay.
"We're not saying that creativity is bad," Gino says. "But we are saying that it can lead to problems. And so the question from a manager's perspective is: How do you get the good outcomes of creativity without triggering the bad outcomes?"
While "The Dark Side of Creativity" doesn't answer that question directly, Gino hopes that the research will remind innovative organizations not to give short shrift to ethics.
"As a manager, if you're highlighting the importance of being creative and innovative, it's important to make sure that you're stressing the presence of ethics, too," Gino says. "Dan and I are of the hope that managers will start thinking about how to structure the creative process in such a way that they can keep ethics in check, triggering the good behavior without triggering the bad behavior."
Invitation To Participate
Are you a manager at an organization that stresses the importance of creativity in the workplace? Do you have thoughts about how to encourage creativity while discouraging unethical behavior? Please share your thoughts in the comments section below. You can also reach Francesca Gino directly at fgino@hbs.edu or follow her on Twitter, @francescagino.
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And it discusses 'self-reported dishonesty' which surely poses the question, surely they are not that dishonest if they self-report it? Or perhaps the issue is that those who do not self-report are so dishonest they would never admit to it...
Nice article from a non-creative.
The first things I want to know about anybody or any organisation I am considering working with are;
1. Are they honest?
2. Are they competent?
3. Are they leaders?
4. Are they able to change for the better?
As part of the list of questions I seek answers to I want to know if they are likely to contribute or hinder the ongoing creative process that should be part of any culture that encourages continuous improvement.
The first question however is always the most important and it is fundamental. How you go about finding a satisfactory answer to that question will depend on your ability to test the difference between what people say and what they do.
By quietly monitoring the difference between statements and actions for any length of time you acquire the habit of looking beyond the public personae and seeing whether there is any real ethical value.
If I see flaws in ethical values, I pass on the relationship and I recommend everyone else does the same.
So I am moderately surprised by the outcomes of this research. By the way resolving problems like the candle problem is not really a question of creativity but more an intelligence test.
Phil
The stated first study findings were "the higher the creativity required for the job, the higher the level of self-reported dishonesty." In other words, the more creative you are, the more honest! But these supposed researchers miss this very obvious point and choose to go in the very opposite direction instead. Then, having taken the wrong track at the outset, the rest seems to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Add to the mix that, at the beginning, we're talking about a very specific subset of people; people who work in advertising. This is a self-selected group of people who, generally, have less trouble with ambiguity than the general population. I know a lot of creative writers and artists who chose not to go into advertising, in the first place, because, in their eyes, it was inherently dishonest.
My concern here is that this very dubious research is being given the imprimatur of the Harvard Business School and will, no doubt, be picked up by others in the media. It could become a "meme" and enter the thinking of the general population, reinforcing the dangerous belief, held by a sizable segment of any population at any time, that "people who think, and are smart, are dangerous and immoral." This is why, when totalitarian regimes are ascending to power, one of the very first things they do is kill all the smart people.
This "research," seems, to me, to be a shoddy piece of work that has a few issues with honesty itself.
It is not a forgone conclusion that creativity makes a person dishonest. If that person has bad ethics they will be dishonest with or without seeing more options available to them. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, only to name two creative people who have proven this study inaccurate.
Frank Riganelli, former Fortune company operations management, instructor, trainer, now author.
g conclusions proposed by the article are not well founded.
Does this mean that the ability to be flexible in creative thinking also leads to the same kind of flexibility in ethics? Conversely, are unethical people more creative (I certainly have known some highly creative convicts)? From a different perspective, does maintaining strict boundaries in ethics diminish creativity? Are non-creative people more ethical? Do more highly creative people behave even less ethically?
In our organization (church), we have strong ethical boundaries. We encourage creativity, inviting people into times and spaces where creativity is fostered with an understanding that ethical boundaries are still present. Now I'm going to pay more attention. Do the most creative people with whom I work also have challenges maintaining ethical boundaries? I'm going to have conversations with some of them, asking them how they negotiate between creativity and ethical boundaries.
Thank you for this thought-provoking article.
There's also an issue brewing here with the very concept of "creativity."
Who is a "creative" person?
I think that by virtue of being human that we all are creative. Goes with the territory. If you get into a car, you expect an engine of some kind. When you get into a human being, you expect some ingenuity. (BTW, the words "engine" and "ingenuity" have a related etymology.)
I think that some people may have used this innate power of creativity less than others in their lives. So, maybe we would call them the "uncreative" people. But that would be a distortion and a violation of who they really are and what they're really capable of being and doing. For example, a mother who is pressed for time and must cook a nutritious and tasty meal for her children and is able to concoct this despite a limited amount of ingredients in her refrigerator and cupboard is being no less "creative" than some successful advertising executive launching a successful sneaker campaign for Nike.
I also think that societies employ many mechanisms of behavior control that tend to suppress emotions, empathy and creativity. Some people are more susceptible to this kind of suppression than others.
Could it be that all people are born creative but that some people have learned to repress this innate ability more than others and while doing so have also suppressed other aspects of their selves that makes them more subservient to all kinds of authority, regulations and rules? Could THIS learned suppression account for any discrepancies in the behaviors between the so-called creative people and others?
Now THAT would be a very interesting topic to research, in my opinion!
Whats a naturally creative person? Do university students as a sample provide the basis for business context. And so on and so on and so on.
Then really what does this mean "these were simple studies, but they were powerful in showing that our ability to justify things is significantly greater if we are in a creative mindset or when we are creative people". Come on people!!!
This one has gone into the trash can labelled "hokey pokey".
Regards Mark
In my case I have worked with very creative minds, chemists and R&D people which are very ethical.
Power ALWAYS corrupts. Degree of corruption correlates to the existing checks and balances on power.
Creativity and corruption contributed to the 2008 financial meltdown. The Glass-Steagall Act, which was repealed in 1999, provided the checks and balances that separated banking and investment functions. The banking, insurance and brokerage industries were very creative in spending a reported 300 million to get the law repealed.
I will need to check out the research but basing natural "creativity" on how well people can solve puzzles seems dubious.
Nonsense. That's not an example of "creativity." That's an example of organized crime and the corruption of government by financial elites. Just because these criminals labeled the repeal of "Glass-Steagall" and the creation of derivatives as "innovations" does not make it so. That was merely propaganda.
I would argue that creative 'types' are more likely to respond honestly as they don't inherently have the same fears in the workplace that more traditional "career-ists" have. They are not as worried about workplace expectations and perceptions. One might argue that they might be less likely to honestly self-report. (Someone in finance or legal might worry more about the ramifications of the survey and what it might mean to their own position, despite it being an anonymous survey).
Also, surveying 99 people at one ad agency is also suspect. Each company has its own corporate culture and (perhaps) this one might have more creatives that like to take home office supplies than other companies. Perhaps in a company like State Street, or other large banking organizations, someone in 'finance' might be more likely to embezzle, or falsify reporting numbers.
Additionally, an ad agency has many more creative types than almost any other organization so that might also skew your numbers.
However, this is completely different than encouraging creativity in an organization. The later would better be labeled "innovation," which is finding creative ways to solve a problem. When done well, that process comes from a collaboration among a motivated team who believe in their cause. This process inherently requires trust to function effectively, and trust requires absolute transparency and honesty. In the later case, I would expect much less dishonest activity. So I will continue to encourage this kind of innovation.
As said in the article:
Management, highlight the importance of being creative and innovative, make sure that you're stressing the presence of ethics, too, structure the creative process in such a way that they can keep ethics in check, triggering the good behavior without triggering the bad behavior.
This makes sense. In the vein of Caveat Emptor it should be Caveat Creat-Or - let the manager beware ... of the creative.
People are dishonest when they have something to gain.
G.P.Rao.
crept into our environment to become universal.
The number of creative people increased since '56 ???
I have written to the various Harvard search committees since
1998 that we should look for three issues"honesty,integrity,
greed" to stimulate public debate using the position of Harvard
A prospective Dean might be in an ideal position to do this,as
Dean Nitin Nohria is doing with the Hipocratic Oath.
From the managerial point of view the companies with high ethics as one of their key values I don't see it as a major problem. And the key learning from this as I understand is that you as a manager should be aware of the pitfalls in putting too much focus on encouraging the creativity in your organisations without emphasizing how important ethics are for the company. Most importantly when you design your compensation and benefit policies the key question is how much you reward creativity and how you punish unethical behaviour.
that creativity and original thinking can and sometimes leads to unethical behaviour is not surprising at all...... only somebody who can "bend" the rules, make new neural connections, conect the dots ie be creative will naturally see how to "bend' the rules in real life. I myself used to enjoy bending rules. i used to be proud that i never had to repeat an excuse while lying in school, college/ office. i could come up with so many beleivable explanations. However as i moved from being an independent "me" oriented person to seeing the interdependence of things, people, events..... to an "us" person naturally with age and experience, i stopped my "excuses". To have the ability to be unethical and to be unethical are 2 different things. I firmly believe that having an "us" mindset is the only protection against unethical behaviour. I define the "us" as a sense of belonging to a larger group than your family or fri
ends or co-workers. Even if most of us cant have the compassion of a Dalai Lama, we can atleast see that we are citizens of the same planet and thus interconnected. Would love to see researchers investigate this aspect of our internal attitude.
Regards
Akshayata
Of course, creatives can choose to be unethical. The choice depends on their core values and personality.
They can see the loophole but decide to pursue their creativity in constructive ways such as to close them instead.
The world owes the creatives.
Please at least read the article properly!
How about we turn our focus to creative children? By the time creative adults become part of "organizations," they've established the way they manipulate and navigate the world. If, your whole life you've been celebrated for your creativity, there's a good chance that creativity will permeate your life. Without a firm moral foundation from an early age, you'll certainly bend the ethics and rules of society into a fantastic work of art.
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go make a video of my neighbors cat getting shot out of a potato gun. You'll ondoubtedly see it on YouTube by lunchtime tomorrow.
The people who made this test obviously equate morality with following rules, either stated or implicit. Following rules doesn't make one moral. Truly moral action only stems from love for the deed--not playing by rules, laws, codes of behavior, etc.
Creative people also tend to find better channels to "get back" at the imbalance they may see in society, resulting in more material gains for themselves than the non-creative, and thereby getting more media attention.
The article describes a study that was poorly designed from a number of perspectives -- from size and composition of the sample population to inappropriateness of the measures used to define key concepts. Logic flaws abound, and nothing has been proven. Think of being proven like being pregnant -- there is no "mostly" involved. Outside of mathematics, good science shies away from assertions of "proof," instead referring to experimental results that support or do not support a specific hypothesis or theory.
Consequently, the findings mentioned in this article are highly suspect -- as well as being both inflammatory in general and degrading to the true and relatively rare high-creatives among us, those people who are responsible for much of the true innovation in our world. Simply: The article could use a good editor and peer review (or is this intended to be it?).
I question whether the authors are measuring what they think they are measuring, at least as described here. Replace "dishonesty" with "self-interest," and "creativity" with "ability to see possibilities for self-interest" in their work, and you will be closer to the truth of what they have measured. As someone who has both taught university students and worked closely with ad copywriters, my experience has been that both groups rank high on self-interest. Self-interest can result in dishonesty, but it is not itself dishonest.
But even dishonesty can have a positive benefit to society, and, given the proper context, is desirable: witness the actions of those souls who protected Jews and others from the Nazis during WWII. Their actions at the time were dishonest, creative, altruistic and, today, lauded.
It is evident that those who cheat rise to the top quicker than those who play with a straight bat or by the rules.The game needs to change game theory needs looking at from an academic point of view.The system favours those in the club. What is needed is more creatives to come through the ranks in other words those with the Nelson touch. Merry Christmas.
Every evil-unethical individual is creative. To lie and sustain that lie requires real creative thinking. To commit fraud and theft, malpractices of various kinds requires most of the core mindsets that characterise a creative individual also.
The so-called good people are good and wait for the seat in heaven and do not develop their creativity.
And. the inherently evil 'janmas' DEVELOP their creative intellect and responses by virtue of their sheer reqirement to trigger, evolve, and manage their evil behaviour and activities. By doing evil and fraudulent activities, they become creative.
The 'manager' role holders in the study must have been already evil or unethical persons. And by assessment of the researchers, they must have found elements of creativity in them. That is all. The way [the WAY] the idea is conceptualised is creating the 'sensation'. The findings must have been reported somewhat like: bad managers or unethical managers were found to be creative ALSO.
Perhaps this study on creativity and dishonesty, like many other behavioral studies, demand more meticulously designed experiments with replicating results in order to be convincing to us humans.
At this point - there is a fine-line to jump to be evil (or the dark-force...)
This person thinks only in himself and he thinks he is indestructible...
In my eyes, creative people (i guess with low work
ethic or wayward morals), when put up against a test, are able to find the shorter/easier/dishonest path. Less creative individuals come up with a blank. the creativity, or lack thereof, contributes nothing to your ethics alone, but if the person and situation was right, it couldd open up an ethical dilemma. the creativity doesnt imo help create the ethical dilemma, it merely opens ones eye to it. im shocked to
find any respectable researcher would try to
tie creativity and unethical behavior directly.......as if its something we need to fear. such medieval thinking. talk about how the lack of straight morals in this country (ex: radical & racist, yet religious individuals; etcetc) is creating all of the ethical issues. without clear and solid morals, a sense
of conviction and responsibility, you are going to have a society that constantly cheats if they are able to (ie: if they are "smart" enough to.)
As an offshoot to this, can we surmise that all non-creative people are necessarily honest? Not so. If honesty is the benchmark, these people will be so happyand satisfied that on one hand they do the minimal and on the other hand they receive laurels. And, escape any action despite their incompetence to utilize their faculties to the full.
Creators are sharp. They do wonders for bringing about the needed
improvements. However, some of them do mis-utilize their creativity for self good through dubious means. As they are intelligent, they do this cleverly. This applies to some but not all creators. For, if all creators were dishonest, mayhem would result. This is not the state of affairs around us..
1. I find it interesting that the study mentioned was counting as "dishonest" people that answered a survey "honestly" about the rules that they might be likely to bend in a given situation.
2. When thinking about creatives as those people able to "think outside the box" then it stands to reason they might be interested/tempted to bend the rules a bit if the box mentioned were one not of their own creation - the box might be too restrictive if created solely by one who always follows the rules.
3. I think that the idea around being ethical vs. dishonest bears further investigation. I think it is possible to be creative and also ethical. But, you have to be able to imagine a future landscape different than the one you are living in now, and in so doing must needs to break down some walls (ie. rules) of what are limiting factors.
To my mind, it all goes back to a person's driving force/goals/aims/ethics/values. It is from this that a person's creative energy will take different forms and paths towards completion.
1. Is the individual dishonest because is creative? or is creative because is dishonest?
2. when we refer to creativity, are all creativity equal, I mean, do all type of creativity develop same response to a situation? (do a mathematician, a philosopher, a righter or a business individual will respond the same to the opportunity of dishonesty?)
3. What is the percentage of dishonesty among the general public, versus educated individuals and creative individuals?
4. Is dishonesty a product of creativity, opportunity, necessity, .......?
5. Is dishonesty always for personal gain?
The way I see the article, appears to me to be a prove to a preconceive idea, it is possible that non creative individuals get caught more frequently, of cause we will never know.
The authors of the study seams to be quite creative individuals and I can see the honesty of the study, but I don't see a clear conclusion that, creative individual are more dishonest, dishonest to what is never establish, they do indicate a higher level of self reported dishonesty as the level of responsibility and creativity increases in the individual. It is an interesting question, considering the level of dishonesty shown on certain groups before and during the existing economic crises, but to link creativity to dishonesty through all groups and activities, to me, is to broad, to much a generalization.
The seeds of the 2008 crash were sown in this area of thinking, and we need more work on it.
Professors Gino and Ariely have raised a very important question about possible covariance of creativity and dishonesty. It is my understanding that unethical behavior (lack of ethical responsibility) in people is an effect of dishonesty which is a function of time, creativity, pressure to create (or perform), physiological traits, psychological traits, and false assumptions /incomplete information. The three outcomes to the question "Are creative people more dishonest?" are "Yes", "No" and "It depends". If the answer is "NO", then unbridled creativity is the way to best solutions to our earthly (market, industrial, institutional governance, political, social, and environmental) problems, without any regulation. Furthermore, we may deregulate all markets and industries. If the answer is "Yes" or "It depends" then bridled creativity is the way to best solutions to our earthly problems, with a reasonable re
gulatory structure. However, regulation will not solve the problem of dishonesty since creativity trumps regulation. Hence, one may be compelled to seek the best solutions in the domain of time, pressure to create (or perform), physiological traits, psychological traits, and false assumptions /incomplete information.
The most difficult to overcome (control /screen) is false assumptions (incorrect perceptions of the state of a system) /incomplete information (unknown and unknowable). Humanity appeared on earth merely a few hundred thousands of years ago compared to a few billions of years gone by since the formation of the earth. Human creativity (and some chance outcomes) had propelled humanity to efficient levels of functionality and greater (but not total) understanding of nature (from the deepest ocean to the furthest galaxy in the cosmos). Yet, human creativity (has brought humanity and /or) has so far failed to find the best solutions to our current perilous economic, institutional governance, political, social and environmental problems. As we observe in nature, every system /species has a failure /extinction date ("tagged on" perhaps unknown to us) and humanity has no exception. Humanity has a window of about 50 years (say till 2060) to come up with the best solutions to
our current economic, institutional governance, political, social and environmental problems. Humanity has given birth to a hierarchy of divisions among humans along with their creativity which is consuming most of the humanity's energy, treasure and creativity: humans fighting (competing against?) humans on every known division to humanity. If the political, religious and social leaders of our nation and the world today will not forge strategic (grand) alliances (leading to meaningful change) and free up humanity's energy, treasure and creativity to achieve the best solutions to our perilous problems (and not seek economic slavery of some citizens or religious supremacy of a religion or national supremacy of a nation or racial supremacy of a race or ethnic superiority of an ethnicity or ideological supremacy of an ideology or ...), the odds of survival of humanity on this green earth (before humanity could migrate to other worlds) is very slim to none. Is anybody listening?
ther or not one has a creative disposition.
juanita
k needed a wake-up call.
What would happen if individuals faced the same evaluation of report of distribution of dots when 'not' informed of any advantageous outcome from report of a majority of dots appearing to the right side and simply asked to furnish their opinion as to the placement of dots?
More accuracy in report of the actual location of the dots? In business context, additionally, for a third scenario.....what would prove results reported by the 'creative' vs the noncreative persons 'if'participants were told the company was in competion or comparison to other firms for award of a job based on the employees abilities overall at 'accurate' reporting on which side they viewed the actual dot placement?
Would altruistic leanings, to come out in the second experiment running, and/or community identity to the company they worked as part of result for creative/and non in more accurate or literal reporting?
creative loopholes to solve difficult tasks they are facing, even if that entails crossing ethical
boundaries."
He who finds it is more likely to use it; like that saying about power, responsibility and how great they are together. This is like a study that concludes that bigger dogs are statistically more likely to deal serious bite wounds, or that people who went to Harvard are more likely to declare wars: telling us what we already know, and not at all incriminating of the group in concern when reduced to its bare logic.
However.
Firstly: Why quantify a conclusion that is already borne just fine by easy logic and label it with a school seal?
Secondly: While the conclusion is innocuous, why choose to present it as inflammatory and new under your seal? "Dark Side of Creativity": yipes. A lot of people picked up on this and were upset or "enlightened".
Why is there such a thing as sensationalism, in any print? Food for thought.
P.S.: Social science with a testing pool restricted to those who have ascended into higher education and/or the media sector is not even "social".